Rhoticity in Lancashire: Liverpool to Manchester

The question of rhoticity in Lancashire arises from the book Northern English (1899) by Richard J Lloyd (1846-1906), who based the examples on his own rhotic Liverpool speech (a trilled r in prevocalic positions, otherwise an r-coloured vowel in syllable codas). Did he really mean he spoke a rhotic form of Scouse, albeit a form spoken by someone well educated? Liverpool and Manchester speech had ceased to be rhotic by the middle of the 20th century (Wells 1982), so how rhotic had the Liverpool accent been in the 19th century? Lloyd’s self-description indicates that a rhotic model evidently still prevailed in Liverpool during his childhood in the 1840s while he was acquiring speech. In the neighbouring houses on his street at the 1851 census, there were some 40 adults and 20 children, mostly adult migrants from elsewhere, and children born in Liverpool. Roughly 75-80% of those adults were born in counties that were potentially rhotic (including Liverpool at that time), and 20-25% were born in counties that were potentially non-rhotic (the latter is probably overestimated because the more elderly residents were born during the 18th century and might still have had rhotic accents). In any case, an overwhelming majority of the people around him had rhotic accents of various kinds. His father was Welsh, his mother from Liverpool, and, by his own account, he acquired a Liverpool accent. Despite that linguistic mosaic surrounding him, he tuned in to the local accent, as children do.

MacMahon (2007) describes Lloyd’s life. He was born in Liverpool and spent all his life there, working in the family business at the Port of Liverpool, assessing imported goods for duties. In his spare time he studied for his London BA, MA and DLitt, and then continued his academic interests alongside the family business. At the time of his death he was honorary reader in phonetics at University College, Liverpool, a fellow of the Royal Society of Edinburgh, and vice president of the International Phonetic Association. He published regularly in the Journal of Anatomy and Physiology, Le Maître Phonétique, the Modern Language Quarterly, Die Neueren Sprachen, Phonetische Studien, the Westminster Review, and Zeitschrift für französische Sprache.


The methods are described here.

For convenience, the recordings were split by origin into four areas of Lancashire:

  • A: Liverpool, St Helens, Manchester
  • B: Southport, Chorley, Bolton, Rochdale
  • C: Preston, Burnley, Blackburn, Colne
  • D: Lancaster, Carnforth

The recordings were split again, into generations, by the informant’s year of birth
(the expectation is that any change towards non-rhotic speech will appear first in some younger generation).

Conclusions for Area A: Liverpool to Manchester

lancashireliv2manMap of Area A (Liverpool to Manchester) showing the places and years of birth of the informants. Satellite map source: GoogleEarth.

This area was virtually completely non-rhotic in these recordings, as expected from existing descriptions. For Manchester, the earliest informant was born in 1883, suggesting non-rhoticity was present in Manchester at least towards the end of the 19th century. Unfortunately, it’s impossible to tell just when Liverpool lost its rhotic accent, the earliest informant being born in 1921, non-rhotic and three or four generations younger than Lloyd.

The following examples are extracted from the Liverpool informants. Each example contains words with the same vowel from all informants, arranged from oldest to youngest.

Example 1: Liverpool.

Words with the NORTH vowel:
affo(r)d doo(r) wa(r)d befo(r)e moo(r)s sco(r)e o(r)

Example 2: Liverpool.

Words with the START vowel:
da(r)k ca(r)d ba(r)code cle(r)ks ma(r)ks

Example 3: Liverpool.

Words with the NURSE vowel:
wo(r)khouse wo(r)king chu(r)ch conce(r)ned gi(r)ls su(r)plus wo(r)kforce ski(r)ts wo(r)ds

Example 4: Liverpool.

Word-final weak syllables with r:
brothe(r) flowe(r)s pictu(r)es teache(r)s collecto(r) custome(r) pape(r)

Lloyd described his own prevocalic r as trilled. The final example from Liverpool illustrates apical taps or trills from Liverpool informants (in contrast there were no taps or trills from any of the other places).

Example 5: Liverpool

tapped or trilled r:
area crane married celebrate decorated ground parishes groups playground through

There were two exceptions to this overwhelming non-rhotic tendency in the Liverpool-Manchester area, namely the earliest informants from Wigan (born in 1904) and Oldham (born in 1918). Both are partially rhotic, retaining rhoticity after the NURSE and GOOSE vowels, and NURSE and letTER vowels, respectively (there might be others, the recordings did not include every vowel). Wells (1982) reports that Wigan is now non-rhotic, so this is possibly one of the last glimpses of rhoticity from there. Both these places are on the northern edge of this area. Wells states that rhoticity is typically heard from Rochdale to Accrington (to the north). Oldham is just south of Rochdale. These two exceptions have possibly just caught the southern limit of Lancashire rhoticity receding northwards during the 20th century.

Here are examples from these two partially rhotic exceptions:

Example 6: Wigan, born in 1904.

ca(r)ts, pa(r)t, sta(r)t, eight yea(r)s, a few yea(r)s, curls, it weren’t, nurse, girl, fi(r)egua(r)d, poorly, fathe(r), feve(r), neighbou(r)s

Example 7: Oldham, born in 1918.

ca(r)pet, were, grandfather, fender

There were no Liverpool soldiers in Doegen and Brandl’s P.O.W. recordings (Berliner Lautarchiv), and no Liverpool informants in the Survey of English Dialects recordings (they specifically targeted rural areas). Consequently there were no recordings available from informants born around 1880 to show whether Liverpool, like Manchester, was already becoming non-rhotic by the 1880s.

Honeybone (2008) traces the emergence of the localised Scouse dialect in the Merseyside area, and, following Knowles (1973), concludes there had been no uniquely Liverpool English before Scouse, only the surrounding Lancashire dialect also within the town. Knowles had set the outside limits for Scouse between 1830 (published evidence of the Lancashire dialect still being spoken in Liverpool) and 1889 (Ellis’s published evidence that Liverpool speech differed from the Lancashire dialect), and Honeybone generalises from this, setting the creation of Scouse by new generations to the mid 19th century, and consolidation from 1900. By this reasoning, Lloyd’s Liverpool English would have been Lancashire English rather than Scouse, and Scouse would have emerged during his lifetime.


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